I've been getting pissed off with youtube anyway because some of my videos have been removed because of music licencing issues on the backing sound ... actually it's not youtube's fault but the record company intervention. All my videos are personal ones, not music videos but that doesn't seem to matter ... it's either remove the video or replace the soundtrack with one of their approved tunes, whether you like their tune or not.

Now, one of the greediest oprganisations in Britain has made things worse by demanding a lot more money per play from youtube and a load of other stuff out there is going to be disabled fro the UK.

[news.bbc.co.uk]

Anyway, the organisation is the PRS, they are the ones who want to charge you a fee for playing a radio at work and who are supporting the American lawyers to take down the guitar tab websites. Soon they'll be sending an invoice every time you whistle a tune.





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yeah, i've had a couple pulled too, it's a nuisance, but you can sort of get around it by including some speaking at the beginning or end (most of the bbcged vids have this) which fools the scanning won't help if someone reports it though

or just switch to vimeo, they don't seem to be as on the ball!

Thanks, I didn't know that. Do you just insert any old voice clip to the beginning or does it have to be a minimum length ?

not sure, i usually go for at least 10-15 seconds or so. i think the first line of defence againt the copyright infringement is a waveform scan, so pretty much anything the renders the audio track different from a cd rip should work.

it's not foolproof, but should hold the b**tards off for a bit at least!

They are so bloody short sighted! Do they not realise youtube is giving free advertising to artists music when "home" users like us lot pick a track to accompany our tomfoolery.

I think that they look for the id tags embedded in the music tracks to identify the songs, You know the bits that itunes and such like use to identify the track so that it can display title artist album etc.

Short sighted is exactly what it is. The whole youtube thing started off as a community video sharing project and is being ruined by the record companies.

I am seething just now. One of my lads wanted to watch one of our videos from Cairngorm last year and this is what I've just found ...

naefearjustbeer Wrote:
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> I think that they look for the id tags embedded in
> the music tracks to identify the songs, You know
> the bits that itunes and such like use to identify
> the track so that it can display title artist
> album etc.

depending on how you make your videos i think the tags (id3) should be erased, like when you render the video it creates an entirely new audio track minus all the metadata.

just lost another one to a new thing, "audio disabled" so the vid's still there, just no sound, which i guess beats total annihilation. that one had no speaky bits though

Yep ....looks like a fairly wholesale stuffing of videos. Just had a quick look around and one of my particular favourites (H11lly's Ski Touring on the plateau) is now 'sound free' with the Depeche Mode track removed.

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who want to charge you a fee for playing a radio at work

There's PRS, along with the MCPS and then when you pay them along come the PPP. If there was one organisation that was in someway regulated then fair enough, but they all want their protection money. The PRS requirement for licensing of already licensed radio broadcasts, for which radio stations pay huge fees for is an absolute disgrace.

It is high time these organisations had their wings clipped and were brought under control, the ability of the PRS to decide to require you to obtain yet another licence to listen to already licensed content (radio) and for it to be sole judge and arbitrator is no different than the behaviour of an out and out protection racket.

I've had a few nasty letters from the PRS - bunch of tossers.
Used to get one a month but they seem to have stopped now.

go slide....

On a couple of my vids I got a messsage about copyright but it told me that I was allowed to use it because the record label had authorised it. It was older songs. Wild thing by the Troggs and Freebird by Lynrd Skynrd.

They silenced a video that had a green day track on it so I picked on of youtubes replacement tunes. However the green day song had been on my video for at least a year before they did this. I notice a lot of youtube stuff has songs by "Kevin MAcleod" who ever he may be but I am lead to believe that his stuff is free to use as you like on videos for youtube etc

there used to be a load of tracks form labels who'd worked out an agreement with google/youtube about licensing, so a few tracks got naefearjustbeer's message, but when it came to renegotiate they mostly wanted more ca$h and i believe google told them to take a hike, hence why the tracks are getting pulled en masse now. stil a couple of labels tracks that are ok i think. i have one video that's "disabled in some countries" this being one of them, but it worked fine over in canada on holiday.

did the PRS (or the us equivalent) not also try to kill web radio over much the same thing? it is basically a protection racket, especially since the actual artists see a very small percentage of such fees in most cases, it's also becoming increasingly un-necessary in this day and age, fingers crossed their days are numbered!

[torrentfreak.com]
[techdirt.com]

Musicians need paid of course, but much of these legal restrictions are just a reflection on the music business' refusal to accept that the industry had fundamentally changed and that their business model needs to change with it.

Spotify is step in the right direction - [www.spotify.com]

For a really fascinating and insightful look at the money end of the music business an how it is changing have listen to this podcast from word magazine -

[www.wordmagazine.co.uk]

naefearjustbeer Wrote:
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> I notice a lot of youtube stuff has songs by "Kevin
> Macleod" who ever he may be but I am lead to
> believe that his stuff is free to use as you like
> on videos for youtube etc


He's a Cop I work with.... unless it's just a coincidence they have the same name.

[www.incompetech.com] here is the link for the Kevin Macleod royalty free music. Seen it (heard it) on a few youtube videos.

Or here [www.youtube.com] for more royalty free music